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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to

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have your paradigms shifted into truths

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questioned and now shattered reality hi

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firoozeh we're back again I know you

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enjoy slating every time yes uh hi there

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Kate today is January 1919 yes

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January 19 2018 and this is our first

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show of the new year and it is our 61st

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show so we're really breaking we're

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breaking records and milestones here

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left and right unfortunately we also had

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an upset today yes indeed that's the

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first suit but we do hope mr. seal feels

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better but he is unfortunately it has a

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medical emergency and he's not available

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at this particular time okay

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that's correct and just in case

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everybody doesn't know who mr. seal is I

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should mention that it is Avril seal of

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Texas a professional writer who has

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recently written a book that was

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published by our good friends at

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anomalous books and it's called monster

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hike and we're hoping that mr. seal is

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back in the pink very soon now this is

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so his subjects are interrupt you it was

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cryptozoology or the hunt for Bigfoot

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among others

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well I think his primary interest in the

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area of cryptozoology is Bigfoot

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and it's kind of interesting to me

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because although the Kate Valentine UFO

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show which preceded shattered reality

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which I was guests but not a co-host the

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others think no no not at all not at all

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but in any case on that show a Kate my

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partner here she had interviewed several

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individuals regarding a variety of

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cryptozoological creatures including the

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flatwoods monster which was the one that

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I best one man Oh Mothman yes indeed

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Mothman

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interests me quite a bit yeah it's it's

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kind of I think what interests me is the

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eeriness of Mothman oh you mean a

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15-foot winged black thing with glowing

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well you know what you said about mr.

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seal he felt that if you had an

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intention or if you had faith in Bigfoot

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you'd have more of an ability to find

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them that's true and I have a feeling

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Mothman is one of those events I think

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in the area oh I'm sorry I'm confusing

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him as that is not flatwoods monster no

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I'm sorry I confused it for a second but

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anyway to stick to Mothman for right now

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uh I was in an area a geographical area

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and people in that area were fairly

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convinced that this beastie existed as

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flatwoods monster I don't know more so

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I'm Mothman and so maybe their belief in

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the existence of Mothman was what caused

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all those sightings it's it's possible I

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do believe that in terms of Mothman

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there was a Native American belief in a

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similar type creature but I guess what I

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is the flesh-and-blood quality of such

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things I'm going to what I'm going to do

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is I'm going to simply I'm going to

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simply go directly

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to my own cryptozoological well just

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really quick okay but flatwoods monster

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kid yeah II know machine oh yeah really

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really delved into it and continued to

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delve into it to the point where he was

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quite convinced that there was an air

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war between the United States and alien

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ships in the early 50s and if you his

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title of the book was shoot him down

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fascinating book and he put a lot of

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good solid investigative research into

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actual occurrences and was not by any

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means brought about by any intention

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right and there were some involvement if

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saw this type of monster so that was

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like not so much cryptozoological as I

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and as a side effect of this war that

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flatwoods thing was about fifteen feet

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a craft whether it came from space or

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that point I'd be really booking don't

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all the early sci-fi movies with the

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name of that one where they had the film

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where the parents and the kids saw the

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flying saucer land in the morning and

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the parents assured it was all a bad

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dream and he turned around they had

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their neck remember that oh it was

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out but anyway I'm sorry way off the

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about it Kate but I would say that is a

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creature even if it was a creature from

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space and what it would have scared the

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living bejesus out of me frankly they

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found oil and stuff in the family that

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story it was like you know back West

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Virginia in the fifties are sitting on a

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porch no TV yet I just sort of sitting

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there and this thing they see is

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something on the other side of the hill

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and they all go to investigate it mrs.

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Mae I believe was the name of the lady

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and the neighborhood kids and the dog

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and the traipsing up over the whole

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surprise surprise careful what you wish

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for and they see this thing and they

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there's a monster out there but you know

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an artificial intelligence because it

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disappeared they didn't find it they I

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think I saw it whatever it whatever it

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came doubt it took it back up and got

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rid of the evidence well anyway I'm just

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as happy it's no longer here so I mean

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we haven't had on on shattered reality

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any cryptozoology writers prior to this

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today part of the reason that is is that

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we are not big experiencers in the area

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of cryptozoology so while we are not

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disbelievers

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that it's possible but just we it hasn't

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been shown to us maybe that's because

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the subway where if we are not spending

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like yeah like the giant pizza eating

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brat however a couple of years ago I

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2005 I have to check my date on that I

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airplane waiting to take off at Newark

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the window and I had a reason for pause

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what a black butterfly was doing at the

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engines running yeah it was weird and I

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planes to then go to Charlottesville so

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definitely wasn't that and so this black

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butterflies at the window and I'm

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thinking to myself is this a sign I

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shouldn't be flying should I just get up

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now I don't want to go it was a flying

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moth but I believe it was a blood fly

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closes differently and I saw it from for

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more than a minute and I just decided I

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will have have I will try to have faith

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and go on this trip anyway well then

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when I get to Charlotte and I get on the

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other plane there is a large black

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butterfly that's strange

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window this one was a distance away from

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the plane but this butterfly was I would

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wingspan and everything six to eight

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inches and I'm looking back it's a fair

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size but yeah I'm looking back twelve

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years ago at least so I'm not but it was

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a big butterfly and I think oh geez this

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is very very weird and not a bird not a

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bird definitely not a bird III and not

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like smoke patterns no no no no smoke

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this was a sunny day it was clear these

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were two Lynette so now I've seen two

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black butterflies and I'm yeah that's a

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little off-putting yeah a little bit off

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and I was going to start a program the

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following day and I stayed over at a

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friend's house in what's called the new

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land which is some homes that were built

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around the Monroe Institute on land that

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was owned by Bob Monroe I guess and he

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sold it off I could be wrong exactly a

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legalistic of that but anyway there are

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a bunch of homes that are built in the

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in the vicinity of the Monroe Institute

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and that's called a new land and so I

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there and there was a terrace a small

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and I was sitting on the patio I was

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going to go eat dinner at some third

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person's house there was some kind of

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gathering and people I'd kind of know

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you know not very well but all friendly

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and so sitting there waiting to go to

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the dinner and there's a third black

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butterfly up by the eaves of the house

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and I'm looking at the thing and I'm

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thinking could that be a bat yeah yeah

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that's weird and no it wasn't a bad it

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was an insect it was black and looked

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like a butterfly and I when I got back

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to my home a week later I looked in all

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the books and online for butterflies in

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there were no butterflies that fit that

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description yeah and they don't hang

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around that long anyway you don't know

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me said mmm-hmm well you were saying

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earlier too about intentions right and

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creating things like dopus which we'll

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go into a little later right maybe did

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you have like worrisome thoughts or

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I mean this was something you're looking

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forward to yeah I was looking forward to

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to not know how stressful not really no

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and um I I wasn't thinking any negative

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thoughts the only thing that was on my

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mind after seeing these things was that

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the date was the data of my parents

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wedding anniversary and my godmothers

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birthday happened to have to take place

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on the same day but they wouldn't be

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sending me like black images you know I

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mean there's no reason for it they had

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nothing

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certainly they wouldn't be thinking it

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was some horrible thing for me to be

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going down to Virginia and meditating

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for a week basically which is what it

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comes down to and you don't collect

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butterflies no I would never well I

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could friend of mine her parents were

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very involved with Bert her father's

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involved with Robinson so one day in

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offseason there were about 50 Robins in

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the backyard and so she thought it was a

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message from her father in that sense

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you know who he had passed on birds are

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known to be messengers well maybe in

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your case it's a butterfly well that the

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the name for Russia is very close to the

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word for butterfly in Arabic oh really

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yeah oh but still I don't see them all

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the time why on this you know why this

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one day of all days yeah okay well then

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why does sometimes people see UFOs

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sometimes they see Bigfoot sometimes you

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know this is one of these you know with

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um what fourth what was it guy's name

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Fort Charles for all right you know all

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these anomalous occurrences and

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supposedly you know like the famous one

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was well rocks don't fall out of the sky

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and then they discovered meteors but you

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know all these anomalies I mean I think

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we were saying just before the show why

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would somebody be interested in

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supernatural or paranormal or all these

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anomalous events I think it's because

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everyone senses just as you do with a

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butterfly is it all right there is no

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typical explanation for it but

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there is an explanation I mean you saw

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it it was there yes even if it was your

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imagination you still saw something that

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was there so why did you see it or why

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did you even think that you saw it it

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doesn't matter whether you actually saw

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it you think you saw it it was as far as

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you're concerned it was there so why and

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there's no answer for that I believe

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that the person who I was staying with

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also saw the third butterfly so it

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wasn't just me and I have no idea and I

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think that when I was when I've left

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before I left the Charlotte Airport

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I might have pointed out the large

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butterfly in the distance to some person

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who was like sitting next to me but my

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my memory and nastya dims a little bit

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so I don't want to make any strange but

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but I think that's why people get

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interested in these things because they

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sense that there's a meaning behind it

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which they cannot find out what that

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meaning is or determine what it is and

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and it's intriguing you know I mean you

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know if you were if you were on the

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plane and it was a piston engine let's

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say and it gave off of the puff of black

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smoke you wouldn't even notice it you

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figure okay the engine just burped some

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gas in there you go

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so the explanation is immediate it's

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non-threatening but you see a black

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butterfly and yeah I mean if I were on a

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plane so a black butterfly I'd think

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twice about excuse me I would like to

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get off thank you yeah I think that's

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what interests people about it and

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certainly with UFOs and then I that

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there definitely I've been without a

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question objects that are seen that are

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flying and are unidentified and I guess

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it's fun to speculate about what these

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things could be right and we we actually

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do not know factually definitely what

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they are since people come back even

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people who are contact these abductees

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and experiencers which are the three

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words that are used to describe people

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who have Close Encounters of the Third

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Kind and they they don't agree on

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on what it is because either because

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whatever it is lies to us

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A or B we misinterpret in our monkey

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mind like the quote unquote alien could

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be given giving the contact he the

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secrets of the universe but the

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contactee with their monkey brain and

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I'm not putting any particular contact

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details so I don't want any letters

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about that but but the human animal with

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their monkey brain his primary primate

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primate primate brain is not is not

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getting the message correctly it's

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misinterpreting the message all right

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all right well that brings us back to

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Bigfoot okay

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I mean certainly if you're primed to be

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out there looking for Bigfoot and you

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see a 15-foot grizzly bear

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maybe that's what you think you're

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seeing or or as you as you say to you

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know it again it's intriguing like I

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think myself I think is some sort of a

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land primate you know really there's a

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lift maybe even left over from the

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Neanderthals

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who knows but it's out there it knows

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very well if it contacts human

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civilizations it's in big trouble right

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it'll be hunted killed or exhibited or

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something in that nature and it

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understands that but and so it avoids

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that at all costs and I'm sure it

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teaches its children never near anything

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like that like a human but you still you

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want to know if it's out there I mean

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like the Yeti some primate loose up in

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the Himalayan sir I mean how many people

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are in the Himalayas on a day-to-day

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basis and you know could hide out there

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forever and even northwestern

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Pennsylvania all those hills and

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mountains and it's I think one of the

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most compelling stories that I have

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heard about a Sasquatch or Yeti more

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like a Yeti

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comes from a village I think somewhere

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in just outside of Siberia in the former

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Soviet Union and I don't know what

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country it would be now but there was

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apparently one of these things living in

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the village for years and people that

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were there were samples of the fur that

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exists now that you're talking I

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remember this and it lived with some

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woman or that yeah everybody in the town

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knew about it and everything and I would

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say that was probably the most

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compelling thing more hand to me about a

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Yeti but now there seem they seem to be

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popping up all over the United States

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and Canada or else people say that they

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see them they're known by different

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names like Bigfoot sasquatch skunk ape

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all these these different names and my

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jury is out I mean I don't have an

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opinion on it maybe they're successful

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primate and they're starting to increase

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in numbers and that will increase the

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sightings that would be interesting but

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it would be interesting I I have to

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wonder that people aren't interested in

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we started to talk about how people

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might be interested in the supernatural

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of why they're interested in these

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anomalous things and I believe that is

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because on a certain level reality is

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not what it's cooked up to be right we

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have what is called a kind of agreed

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upon a consensual reality a group

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consensual reality that certain laws of

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physics apply and then sometimes they

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don't and that's why we find that

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interesting because as we are getting to

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learn from string theory quantum physics

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all the things that were discovered

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around a hundred year

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ago but most scientists don't even

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consider while they're going about their

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studies and their daily lives the idea

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that everything is is really an illusion

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and that we only see such a small band

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of electromagnetic radiation on the big

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spectrum and things could be coexisting

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with us right here and in this room when

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we might not see them and after all even

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if we do see them does it any of does

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any of it really exist right this is a

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good time for us to contact our

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listeners or are people who are tuned

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into this little podcast obviously

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you're interested in the paranormal

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obviously you're interested in the

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supernatural so please write us a right

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answer why are you interested well snow

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and how do I do that for you because you

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know me I'm inept when it comes to this

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well hopefully they can go on any one of

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four interactive places which would be W

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w or shattered reality podcast

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wordpress.com or or our channel on

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youtube or our facebook channel which is

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a radio station channel because facebook

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doesn't have a podcast designation yet

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which it hadn't had three years ago and

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it still doesn't have which i find to be

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quite amazing but we are shattered

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reality podcast on facebook on and they

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can just type in their answer right they

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can they can speak to us on facebook

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they can speak to us on either of our

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two

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websites they could even speak to us on

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iTunes or on YouTube on our YouTube

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channel which is very active actual or

491
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ESP right for Russia I mean you'll pick

492
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:00,000
up on that right yeah okay but if if

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you're so psychic how come you don't

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know my mother's maiden name thank you

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we'd love to hear from you you know I

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mean you know we sit here chattering

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away is anybody listening who knows but

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or why are you listening I mean what's

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got you involved in this stuff with it I

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mean why would you care as to whether or

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not there's a Bigfoot out there you do

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care you wouldn't be listening Avril

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seal would not care or he wouldn't write

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a book about it

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right so there's got to be some

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compelling reason for you to be

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interested in this or what else did we

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talk about God knows everything

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but what about UFOs a lot about ESP I

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think would you all the topics that

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really that you you're mostly concerned

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with are based around intention and

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consciousness consciousness I think is

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is the big is the big element here we do

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have a very interesting letter from mr.

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Freeman who has time favorite all-time

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favorite of our of our listeners he's

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been listening to the Kate Valentine UFO

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show he listened to viewpoints with Kate

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Valentine and now he's listening to me

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and Kate Valentine here on shattered

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reality podcast and Freeman's I'm gonna

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read his letter here and maybe you want

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to make a comment on this - just wanted

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to respond to your comment about the way

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aliens might think in essence biological

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intelligence exists to direct efficient

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movement and actions by incorporating

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sensory input from a scientific point of

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view logic reasoning and rationality

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our Universal as applied to

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problem-solving investigation and the

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scientific method for the development of

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technology and maths based modeling

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however general reasoning as applied by

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individuals can often be used to justify

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any action or behavior but may contain

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erroneous flaws of logic and incorrect

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assumptions to put it crudely there

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could be considered a difference in the

541
00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:21,900
application of rationality between the

542
00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:24,750
architects of technology and the users

543
00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:28,440
of Technology rational decisions will

544
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,030
include statistical outliers for example

545
00:27:38,419 --> 00:27:35,580
statistically abnormal decision making

546
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:38,429
considered unethical irrational or

547
00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:41,760
unacceptable by society in general this

548
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:45,179
overlaps with concepts of justice legal

549
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:47,570
systems and protecting the public

550
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:49,770
abnormal thinking can result from

551
00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:52,260
biological dysfunctions including

552
00:27:59,659 --> 00:27:55,020
genetic abnormalities and brain damage

553
00:28:03,590 --> 00:27:59,669
or learn behaviors biological et

554
00:28:06,610 --> 00:28:03,600
intelligence is likely to arise from

555
00:28:10,220 --> 00:28:06,620
universal evolutionary processes

556
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,230
competitions for resources is likely to

557
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:12,840
promote hunting as a winning strategy

558
00:28:19,210 --> 00:28:15,659
with the consequences of a natural

559
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:19,220
sensory intelligence arms race

560
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:21,710
individuals within a self-aware

561
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:25,679
technologically developing species will

562
00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:28,140
likely continue to exhibit inherited

563
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:30,150
behaviors relating to self-preservation

564
00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:33,179
and basic needs as well as high-level

565
00:28:39,289 --> 00:28:36,900
behaviors such as altruism we might also

566
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,299
expect aliens to exhibit behaviors

567
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:41,760
relating to interspecies cultures as

568
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:44,940
well as fill in the gap concepts

569
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:47,580
provided by faith and various religious

570
00:28:54,620 --> 00:28:51,030
ideas abnormal behaviors are in some

571
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:54,630
respects statistical so one day we might

572
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:57,960
define extreme behaviors in terms of the

573
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:00,120
galactic norm for rational beings

574
00:29:05,779 --> 00:29:02,970
another aspect to consider is learn

575
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,789
and education the common subjects that

576
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:08,640
any biological alien intelligence would

577
00:29:14,060 --> 00:29:12,120
teach subsequent generations in

578
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:14,070
practical terms the necessary

579
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:15,900
intelligence skills and knowledge

580
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:19,110
required to function and thrive in a

581
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:21,030
physical environment capable of

582
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:23,700
supporting a tool-making species provide

583
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:26,220
both a common frame of reference for all

584
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:29,640
species and an influence and influence

585
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,600
cultures and behaviors there may be more

586
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:36,240
that we share in common than keeps us

587
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:36,950
apart

588
00:29:43,159 --> 00:29:40,080
well that's true except that we have had

589
00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:43,169
hunters and developed societies for

590
00:29:47,169 --> 00:29:45,270
example Egypt ancient Egypt and ancient

591
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:47,179
Rome that never really got

592
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:51,120
technologically inclined and so and yet

593
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,210
they survived and for their time I mean

594
00:29:57,860 --> 00:29:56,220
they were wiped out by something else

595
00:30:01,570 --> 00:29:57,870
which I really don't want to go into it

596
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:01,580
this time but there maybe I was often

597
00:30:07,159 --> 00:30:04,650
thinking what if there was no need in

598
00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:07,169
this planet everything kills something

599
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:10,470
so it survives we do not survive without

600
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:11,570
killing something

601
00:30:17,419 --> 00:30:14,700
and whether you're vegetarian or you're

602
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:17,429
bacteria you kill something you have to

603
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:19,980
there's always been a changeover of

604
00:30:25,630 --> 00:30:22,500
carbon hydrogen oxygen nitrogen sulfur

605
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:25,640
and phosphorus and other odd elements

606
00:30:35,419 --> 00:30:30,570
but what if instead of a hair or skin we

607
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:35,429
had chlorophyll producing cells and so

608
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:38,460
all we had to do to for nutrition was to

609
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:42,720
go out in the sunlight inhale some co2

610
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:45,570
and give off some oxygen and you know be

611
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:49,049
a happy little but still been mobile in

612
00:30:55,460 --> 00:30:52,679
other words a mobile plant look at trees

613
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:55,470
well yeah well seriously well what oh

614
00:31:00,799 --> 00:30:57,770
then there would be no need to kill

615
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:00,809
there would be no need to hunt there

616
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:03,000
would be a lot of time to think and then

617
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:05,370
this is where I think you come in for

618
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:10,740
OSHA that rather than develop how would

619
00:31:16,580 --> 00:31:14,520
you say a material technology they could

620
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:16,590
then develop and then

621
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:20,190
tensional technology where anything that

622
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:23,130
they needed would be supplied just by

623
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:27,210
their imagination and and as you said to

624
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:31,799
like a societal intentionality and you

625
00:31:35,659 --> 00:31:34,020
know so I'm thinking alien intelligence

626
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:35,669
would not be quite what you'd expect

627
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,820
what what he's discussing is what I

628
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:41,039
would prefer it to be such as like a

629
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:44,820
Klingon type or a Romulan but if you

630
00:31:50,269 --> 00:31:46,620
remember on one of the old Star Trek

631
00:31:53,299 --> 00:31:50,279
movies there was a planet where they

632
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:53,309
landed and the the inhabitants that

633
00:31:57,860 --> 00:31:55,710
planet were all shepherds and they

634
00:32:01,700 --> 00:31:57,870
tended their flock but they were pets

635
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,710
they were not food and they were very

636
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:04,399
simple people and both the Klingons and

637
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:07,770
Kirk were trying to save them and they

638
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,049
refused all help from either party and

639
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,000
they said that they were in no immediate

640
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:14,159
danger and Kirk kept saying the Klingons

641
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:16,289
are going to take over and this leader

642
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:19,590
of these people said no they can't and

643
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:21,899
they just didn't understand it and what

644
00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:24,870
happened was through mental prowess they

645
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:26,520
just shut down their weapons on both

646
00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:30,570
both ships and so both the Klingon and

647
00:32:35,779 --> 00:32:32,190
Kirk looked at each other and go what do

648
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,789
we do now I mean these people just won't

649
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:38,640
fight and they can't be attacked so what

650
00:32:46,269 --> 00:32:43,440
do we do now yeah so I think I think it

651
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:46,279
might be something like that

652
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:49,740
certainly the obviously it could have

653
00:32:55,159 --> 00:32:52,380
evolved into you know again similar

654
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:55,169
species to ours but I think we're going

655
00:33:02,480 --> 00:32:59,610
to be very very surprised and I know on

656
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:02,490
a prior letter from mr. Freeman he said

657
00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:04,710
I was thinking that maybe UFOs were from

658
00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:06,840
a different civilization on this very

659
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:09,390
planet and he thought that that was not

660
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:12,450
likely because civilizations are messy

661
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:16,500
but not necessarily so and I have a you

662
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,110
know I just have a hunch that prior to

663
00:33:24,529 --> 00:33:21,240
the flood there was another civilization

664
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:24,539
on this planet that was completely wiped

665
00:33:29,659 --> 00:33:27,179
away and it was not technological which

666
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:29,669
is why we find no evidence of them other

667
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:30,600
than things like

668
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:34,740
pyramids and well I could speak to that

669
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:40,530
for a moment because there have there

670
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:44,910
has recently been a lot of evidence for

671
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:48,169
the idea that there was a cataclysm

672
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:51,690
similar to the flood or or the flood I

673
00:33:59,740 --> 00:33:54,600
mean yeah I'm pretty sure I and that

674
00:34:02,440 --> 00:33:59,750
that happened about 12,000 years ago and

675
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,450
now we're beginning to see some

676
00:34:09,139 --> 00:34:05,100
archaeological evidence particularly in

677
00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:09,149
Turkey and the site of Gobekli Nabi and

678
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:15,750
that these are sort of temples that were

679
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:19,820
built on on a hillside and there are

680
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:23,369
more than 20 of these stone circles and

681
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:28,010
advanced carving indicating a

682
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,020
civilization that was at least as

683
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:33,300
advanced as the Egyptians and it's

684
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:36,770
unknown why these people buried there

685
00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:41,129
quote-unquote temples and there are

686
00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:44,580
other indications under the water in

687
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,070
places like the Gulf of Mexico Japan off

688
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:52,800
the coast of India there are a lot of

689
00:35:00,740 --> 00:34:57,660
like really clear signs that there were

690
00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:00,750
advanced civilizations prior to this

691
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:03,600
flood but since this flood happened

692
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:06,930
these places are now still underwater as

693
00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:10,710
we speak and they're not coming up

694
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:12,990
anytime soon so it's going to take some

695
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:17,190
deep-sea divers to look at what this

696
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:19,410
civilization these these not

697
00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:22,380
civilization but civilizations consisted

698
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:26,670
of prior to 12,000 or prior to 10,000 BC

699
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:29,940
prior to 12,000 years ago basically and

700
00:35:37,220 --> 00:35:34,650
in fact geologically I believe a Robert

701
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:37,230
Shaw was amongst the people who were

702
00:35:43,470 --> 00:35:40,560
able to determine pretty much within

703
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:43,480
this span of a few years

704
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:48,190
when this Cataclysm came about mm-hmm so

705
00:35:55,470 --> 00:35:52,020
there there very well may have been a

706
00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:55,480
civilization prior to when there

707
00:36:00,690 --> 00:35:57,400
definitely was a civilization prior to

708
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:00,700
the Egyptians apparently now whether or

709
00:36:06,270 --> 00:36:03,850
not this was a civilization of humans we

710
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:06,280
don't really know I mean maybe it was

711
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:11,170
the big feet you know but it could it

712
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:13,990
could have been but that was the first

713
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:16,570
part the second that's my first answer

714
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:20,170
to what you said my second answer more

715
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:24,630
or less to you and Freeman is that I

716
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:29,710
agree with him in so let's let's take a

717
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:32,470
step back because I'm a big proponent of

718
00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:36,310
the idea of panspermia and that's why we

719
00:36:45,590 --> 00:36:40,300
had oh go ahead say it

720
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:45,600
go ahead wick wick for Shangri Oh

721
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:51,310
Chandra Wickramasinghe well no but we

722
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:54,880
had a guest on last year who a wonderful

723
00:36:59,849 --> 00:36:57,010
gentleman oh really really nice fellow

724
00:37:03,359 --> 00:36:59,859
who was talking about sending balloons

725
00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:03,369
up and finding some some creatures that

726
00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:06,460
probably oh I was I was thinking of the

727
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:10,180
other guy from India who was woozy

728
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:12,670
English fellow with panspermia you know

729
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,330
the astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle yeah he's

730
00:37:28,650 --> 00:37:19,359
been dead for no but came on our show we

731
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:28,660
would have proof of life okay but but

732
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:32,890
all right what was was okay panspermia

733
00:37:49,230 --> 00:37:43,540
but as I say I'm a big proponent of

734
00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:49,240
panspermia and I do agree with with our

735
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:52,420
friend Freeman here when he discusses

736
00:37:59,730 --> 00:37:57,040
the idea of a similar biological entity

737
00:38:04,290 --> 00:37:59,740
coming from space it may have developed

738
00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:04,300
as I had said at on at the at the UFO

739
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:06,550
event that they could have developed

740
00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:11,110
along similar lines but because so many

741
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:15,160
of the things that are seen in our skies

742
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:19,350
and so many of the experiences are

743
00:38:25,020 --> 00:38:22,930
ineffable to us in other words something

744
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:25,030
shows up in the sky in one place and

745
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:27,400
then turns up in the sky a second later

746
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:30,190
a distance that couldn't be traversed by

747
00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:34,090
a terrestrial vehicle etc I am led to

748
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:37,300
believe that perhaps some of these

749
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:40,930
visitors are not in the same bandwidth

750
00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:45,330
as we are in other words they may be

751
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:47,830
physical beings somewhere in the

752
00:38:53,550 --> 00:38:50,290
universe but they're they're not in the

753
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:53,560
same small bandwidth that the human

754
00:39:00,540 --> 00:38:56,800
species has come to see and recognize

755
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:00,550
because we see such a small little part

756
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:04,510
of and what we see if in fact if you're

757
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:07,210
gonna get into it isn't really what's

758
00:39:15,570 --> 00:39:11,520
there it's what our eyes interpreted as

759
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:15,580
the reality of what is there is

760
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:17,770
something that I'm afraid that I don't

761
00:39:24,090 --> 00:39:20,140
have the the scientific chops to

762
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:24,100
completely discuss here but I I guess

763
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:26,970
that we could look into it however I

764
00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:32,020
don't see any reason that if the

765
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:36,580
entities even biological entities are

766
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:39,700
coming from another point in space that

767
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:42,700
they would that they would follow these

768
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:46,450
guidelines if if they were if they were

769
00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:49,240
not on the same bandwidth because what

770
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:51,400
would appear to us it would appear like

771
00:39:58,020 --> 00:39:54,970
magic when in fact they're just on a

772
00:40:01,040 --> 00:39:58,030
different bandwidth right well you could

773
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:01,050
do that or you could do you could follow

774
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,940
Stephen Hawking one step further and if

775
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:06,160
technology you know back in the days of

776
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:08,760
SETI they were trying to discover radio

777
00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:10,850
signals and then they'd realize

778
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,620
it's not gonna work so they went to

779
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:14,960
light signals while Hawking now says we

780
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:17,690
was all developed technologies

781
00:40:22,180 --> 00:40:20,450
eventually they will hit on computers

782
00:40:24,610 --> 00:40:22,190
eventually they will had artificial

783
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:24,620
intelligence there very well maybe I

784
00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:27,050
take over of the silicon beings of the

785
00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:28,790
artificial intelligence it may have

786
00:40:32,770 --> 00:40:30,470
happened already for all we'd know

787
00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:32,780
because they're in charge of all the

788
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:35,630
media so they could let us they could

789
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:37,130
tell us whatever I gotta tell us and

790
00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:40,130
we'd believe them but again with

791
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:43,400
panspermia how hard would it be for them

792
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,910
to put a little silicon chip on a tiny

793
00:40:51,730 --> 00:40:48,800
little piece of rock and send it off

794
00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:51,740
into space and a million of them and if

795
00:40:56,170 --> 00:40:53,780
they landed in the right place where DNA

796
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:56,180
could be created they created and the

797
00:41:00,580 --> 00:40:58,210
DNA would transform into whatever

798
00:41:03,370 --> 00:41:00,590
creature would be suitable for that

799
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:03,380
particular environment so yeah I think

800
00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:05,450
panspermia is a reality and I think it's

801
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:07,670
the eventual outcome of a technological

802
00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:12,380
society ok but so but still you know mr.

803
00:41:16,990 --> 00:41:14,150
freeman and i would probably disagree on

804
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:17,000
some of that too ok I know we'll get a

805
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:20,090
letter from him is writing even now I

806
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:24,560
hope I hope we do get a letter from yeah

807
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:28,790
but from you too come on guys well he

808
00:41:33,850 --> 00:41:31,610
has had I don't know why but he has

809
00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:33,860
contacted me several times and he has

810
00:41:42,130 --> 00:41:36,860
some difficulty posting on our site and

811
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:42,140
I don't know why that is the EVPs that's

812
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:46,190
what it is it might be it might be it

813
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:49,610
could be yeah but in any case they're

814
00:41:57,220 --> 00:41:52,910
free of them it could be going back to

815
00:42:01,590 --> 00:41:57,230
the entire discussion about why people

816
00:42:06,910 --> 00:42:01,600
should be interested in paranormal

817
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:06,920
experiences is because it shakes up this

818
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,370
very pedestrian view of reality which is

819
00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:13,040
not really boring it's boring it's

820
00:42:18,970 --> 00:42:15,470
boring but it's not really real anyway

821
00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:18,980
it's only real because we allow it to be

822
00:42:24,730 --> 00:42:23,150
and I think most people sense that I

823
00:42:27,580 --> 00:42:24,740
think they do I

824
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:27,590
think that most people sense that

825
00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:31,280
there's something more but so many

826
00:42:37,870 --> 00:42:35,060
people are little cogs in the wheel and

827
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:37,880
they just perform there they get up

828
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:40,250
because the man next door gets up in the

829
00:42:49,410 --> 00:42:43,369
morning and you know they like to eat

830
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:49,420
but there there's a tremendous amount of

831
00:42:58,720 --> 00:42:54,290
societal conformity oh yeah that is is

832
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:58,730
that occurs and groupthink and I think

833
00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:01,220
that but that would be in tension again

834
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:03,470
you know what you're saying is everybody

835
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:05,770
thinks the same thing at the same time

836
00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:09,170
so it's it's group intention to to some

837
00:43:15,570 --> 00:43:11,630
extent but what is that when you get

838
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:15,580
expelled from the group outcasts yeah

839
00:43:21,820 --> 00:43:17,930
you know the word I'm trying to think of

840
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:21,830
like in the Amish societies yes and and

841
00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:30,050
Switzerland too but I do remember the

842
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:32,150
name of the guy from said II from less

843
00:43:38,910 --> 00:43:36,290
time Seth shots good yeah his name will

844
00:43:42,849 --> 00:43:38,920
his name will not die in our memories

845
00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:42,859
sets szostak which is hard to say seth

846
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,500
shostack some that's easy

847
00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:50,720
no not to me because you have to say

848
00:43:59,980 --> 00:43:57,950
seth shostack from SETI not sure well

849
00:44:03,130 --> 00:43:59,990
there is shunning but I was thinking of

850
00:44:06,070 --> 00:44:03,140
shunning but do something else anyway

851
00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:06,080
that that's horrible for people in a

852
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:08,900
small community in a it is because it in

853
00:44:14,109 --> 00:44:12,290
terms of shunning that the practice of

854
00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:14,119
shunning is when the person comes you

855
00:44:18,099 --> 00:44:15,590
just turn you back to them and you just

856
00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:18,109
don't acknowledge them at all well and

857
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:20,060
that's why there's a lot of research not

858
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:22,700
being done in UFOs and ghosts and things

859
00:44:27,099 --> 00:44:24,230
like that because you're made out to be

860
00:44:28,810 --> 00:44:27,109
a fool for believing in things that the

861
00:44:30,910 --> 00:44:28,820
group does not believe in and so you're

862
00:44:32,859 --> 00:44:30,920
shunned by the group I would you know

863
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:32,869
who white eagle fact I would like to get

864
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:38,099
honest guest because his specialty is

865
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:42,569
the bubble that is bursting the bubble

866
00:44:52,819 --> 00:44:48,900
that is groupthink and that is David

867
00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:52,829
Icke oh wow talk about bursting bubbles

868
00:44:58,940 --> 00:44:56,190
and he he has he has his own way of

869
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:58,950
looking at things that isn't the group

870
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:01,079
thought and I don't necessarily agree

871
00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:03,569
with everything he says but I still

872
00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:07,799
think that it is extremely prescient in

873
00:45:15,019 --> 00:45:12,150
many cases it well what he does do is

874
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:15,029
open you up to thinking outside the

875
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:17,099
group think I'm gonna save them outside

876
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,369
the box but outside group thinking and

877
00:45:25,009 --> 00:45:22,079
he said with the blue bloods the real

878
00:45:26,479 --> 00:45:25,019
blue bloods he's a guy royal family

879
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:26,489
actually do have blue blood because

880
00:45:31,999 --> 00:45:28,200
they're reptilians but yeah he's got

881
00:45:34,789 --> 00:45:32,009
some reptilian ideas about what's going

882
00:45:37,219 --> 00:45:34,799
on but I don't think that's the main

883
00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:37,229
thesis of what he's talking about today

884
00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:43,640
which is more about not accepting the

885
00:45:51,289 --> 00:45:48,150
the common group reality and that if you

886
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:51,299
begin to be aware that there's something

887
00:45:56,299 --> 00:45:53,609
else then things start to happen which

888
00:45:58,999 --> 00:45:56,309
is something that we we would have dealt

889
00:46:01,489 --> 00:45:59,009
with today with mister seal I suspect

890
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:01,499
but then you get into the idea that

891
00:46:09,319 --> 00:46:06,180
perhaps adjust the human mind alone can

892
00:46:11,979 --> 00:46:09,329
create a Tulpa that's what you said the

893
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:11,989
intention the intention and and we go to

894
00:46:17,259 --> 00:46:14,700
something which I believe was called the

895
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:17,269
skull field experiments where they

896
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,430
invented this character whose name I

897
00:46:24,709 --> 00:46:22,859
think was Patrick I could be wrong about

898
00:46:26,989 --> 00:46:24,719
this somebody will have to correct me

899
00:46:30,529 --> 00:46:26,999
since I'm not speaking from notes here

900
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:30,539
today but they created this this

901
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:33,839
fictional character that lived in a past

902
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:37,140
time and the the character began to

903
00:46:42,709 --> 00:46:39,930
answer them on the Ouija board and they

904
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:42,719
began to get answers from this character

905
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:46,319
that didn't exist prior to they made him

906
00:46:54,049 --> 00:46:51,569
up okay and and then he took on

907
00:46:58,789 --> 00:46:54,059
a personality of his own and continued

908
00:47:03,019 --> 00:46:58,799
to exist on some level yeah and a woman

909
00:47:05,299 --> 00:47:03,029
traveling in India may be in the 20s she

910
00:47:10,789 --> 00:47:05,309
created Tulpa too and this is something

911
00:47:13,660 --> 00:47:10,799
that is known about in Tibetan and

912
00:47:16,339 --> 00:47:13,670
Indian mysticism that you can create a

913
00:47:18,979 --> 00:47:16,349
being and if you think about it if you

914
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:18,989
would ever scare it as a child in your

915
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:21,660
room alone at night and you began to see

916
00:47:26,989 --> 00:47:23,819
something coming out from underneath

917
00:47:30,229 --> 00:47:26,999
your closet and could be very real to

918
00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:30,239
you and and then if it's real enough but

919
00:47:34,849 --> 00:47:32,430
perhaps you know your little brother can

920
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,859
see it too yeah yeah no definitely

921
00:47:38,539 --> 00:47:37,440
didn't we have a kiss on young lady I

922
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:38,549
forget her name now

923
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:41,729
oh she was traveling I was her aunt or

924
00:47:49,009 --> 00:47:46,160
something to a temple and she was cured

925
00:47:50,539 --> 00:47:49,019
okay I forget I'd forgotten that but I

926
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:50,549
think she had something of a tough

927
00:47:58,819 --> 00:47:56,209
experience too but well so what about

928
00:47:59,410 --> 00:47:58,829
Bigfoot would you want to see one do you

929
00:48:04,069 --> 00:47:59,420
care

930
00:48:04,459 --> 00:48:04,079
um I don't know if I would want to see

931
00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:04,469
one

932
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:08,430
III don't it's not high on my priorities

933
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:10,890
list of things I want to do because I

934
00:48:15,499 --> 00:48:13,650
don't I don't know how dangerous Bigfoot

935
00:48:18,019 --> 00:48:15,509
might be I don't think at all

936
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:18,029
I knew I just never been any stories of

937
00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:20,130
him harming well look I mean for example

938
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:22,859
I live in a very busy busy road in

939
00:48:27,469 --> 00:48:25,380
suburbia okay I looked out my window and

940
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:27,479
I saw a bear up a tree and I know he's

941
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,249
America's the dog was barking at it

942
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:31,680
it was so cute and he was loose all

943
00:48:36,109 --> 00:48:33,630
throughout the town and the police

944
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:36,119
eventually sort of anesthetized him and

945
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:39,569
let him loose in the park but that was

946
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:41,130
about as close as I'd like to see

947
00:48:47,959 --> 00:48:45,599
Bigfoot okay well put in and ordered for

948
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:47,969
you to see Bigfoot up a tree okay so

949
00:48:57,709 --> 00:48:56,430
where it can't get you in with a lot of

950
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:57,719
people who are seeing a lot of things

951
00:49:04,099 --> 00:49:00,119
pretty soon then you know but all right

952
00:49:04,990 --> 00:49:04,109
well what but what else do what other

953
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,000
cryptids

954
00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:07,520
there well should we bring bill into the

955
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:08,870
conversation yeah we should

956
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:12,410
oh no no look you so shy all right we'll

957
00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:15,050
just say what he saw yes yes which is a

958
00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:19,550
flesh covered bird bill yeah yeah and

959
00:49:26,170 --> 00:49:22,390
where'd you see it where did you see it

960
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:26,180
behind w-what was it up like really up a

961
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:27,710
little bit north like in the Hudson

962
00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:28,210
Valley

963
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:32,540
no Alpine oh yeah in Alpine New Jersey

964
00:49:42,070 --> 00:49:39,980
hmm on Route 9 w you saw a bird that had

965
00:49:47,110 --> 00:49:42,080
flesh instead of feathers and it was

966
00:49:51,310 --> 00:49:47,120
orange you say well it's interesting how

967
00:49:55,420 --> 00:49:51,320
large a bird was it like Eagle Robin a

968
00:50:05,040 --> 00:49:55,430
hawk hawk sighs yeah did it have a face

969
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:05,050
that you remember like a beaker it had a

970
00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:09,170
face of of a mammal a mammalian face you

971
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:11,960
would say hmm interesting

972
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,910
but see that's what I mean by anomalous

973
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:15,920
you saw it it was there well what the

974
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:18,170
hell did I what is it you know I mean

975
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:20,360
there's no real answer no and you'll

976
00:50:33,610 --> 00:50:30,640
never know you'll never know yeah yeah

977
00:50:36,670 --> 00:50:33,620
but don't you find two anomalous events

978
00:50:39,610 --> 00:50:36,680
stay in your mind and I mean they hit

979
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:39,620
you well not right exactly but it hits

980
00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:42,770
you immediately this is not not what we

981
00:50:47,110 --> 00:50:44,990
consider normal that it's outside the

982
00:50:53,410 --> 00:50:47,120
range of events that we typically would

983
00:51:00,970 --> 00:50:53,420
see a strange vibe that's what I mean

984
00:51:02,740 --> 00:51:00,980
you do Moraine things sort of draw you

985
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:02,750
into them before you actually see them

986
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:04,850
it's almost like a lot of sightings and

987
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:06,740
UFOs first you get the feeling that

988
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:08,810
something's there then you look and then

989
00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:14,370
[Music]

990
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:18,920
right looking at that particular thing

991
00:51:24,249 --> 00:51:21,680
at that spot yeah well I remember

992
00:51:28,329 --> 00:51:24,259
driving here less than half a year ago

993
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:28,339
and seeing a flock of wild turkey some

994
00:51:35,769 --> 00:51:32,329
of which were huge they were huge and I

995
00:51:37,930 --> 00:51:35,779
thought this was - this was a really big

996
00:51:40,660 --> 00:51:37,940
group of wild turkeys I'd seen them

997
00:51:44,259 --> 00:51:40,670
prior to that but let's go back to birds

998
00:51:48,489 --> 00:51:44,269
for a minute and speak to the idea that

999
00:51:51,130 --> 00:51:48,499
many people see birds that are not

1000
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:51,140
necessarily anomalous birds in that that

1001
00:51:58,690 --> 00:51:54,049
their regular Robins are Hawks or

1002
00:52:02,339 --> 00:51:58,700
whatever but in in conjunction with the

1003
00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:02,349
loss of of life and that sometimes

1004
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:05,960
people see Birds after their loved ones

1005
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:08,569
have died and the bird will try to get

1006
00:52:15,609 --> 00:52:11,450
in the window or behave in a way that

1007
00:52:17,859 --> 00:52:15,619
our birds don't usually behave not you

1008
00:52:20,140 --> 00:52:17,869
know really like they're from from

1009
00:52:21,759 --> 00:52:20,150
another planet or encrypted or something

1010
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:21,769
but these are regular birds and they

1011
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:29,119
behave in unusual ways to display some

1012
00:52:37,989 --> 00:52:33,890
kind of a contact from The Departed when

1013
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:37,999
I was disposing of my parents ashes in

1014
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:39,529
several different places

1015
00:52:46,809 --> 00:52:44,630
I saw pairs of ducks that that came by

1016
00:52:49,690 --> 00:52:46,819
in in in different places where you

1017
00:52:53,890 --> 00:52:49,700
would not expect to see pairs of ducks

1018
00:52:58,180 --> 00:52:53,900
and so that was kind of meaningful to me

1019
00:53:02,739 --> 00:52:58,190
but I hear this over and over again from

1020
00:53:07,930 --> 00:53:02,749
clients that Birds show up and frankly I

1021
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:07,940
saw a huge flock of crows descend upon a

1022
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:13,130
yard where a woman was very sick in the

1023
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:16,609
home and the next day she was she was

1024
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,849
deceased and I don't know if one thing

1025
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:21,440
had anything to do with the other and

1026
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,210
I'm not going to make that

1027
00:53:28,780 --> 00:53:25,760
well there was the cat in the nursing

1028
00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:28,790
home that time to remember that every it

1029
00:53:35,859 --> 00:53:33,140
was an assisted-living hospice type

1030
00:53:38,109 --> 00:53:35,869
situation and when one of the patients

1031
00:53:42,070 --> 00:53:38,119
or the the people residents would

1032
00:53:44,260 --> 00:53:42,080
suddenly show up all of a sudden his cat

1033
00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:44,270
would be found sitting on its lap and

1034
00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:45,950
the next day that person would be gone

1035
00:53:50,410 --> 00:53:47,840
so there must have been a sense that the

1036
00:53:52,510 --> 00:53:50,420
cat was picking up - yeah and it's hard

1037
00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:52,520
to say I mean people have surmised about

1038
00:53:58,660 --> 00:53:56,630
that that in like I don't know necropsy

1039
00:54:01,060 --> 00:53:58,670
may not be the right word you would know

1040
00:54:04,060 --> 00:54:01,070
better than me but when the body is

1041
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:04,070
undergoing the dying process that it may

1042
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:08,510
exude a a smell that is undetermined to

1043
00:54:14,109 --> 00:54:12,050
us we can smell it as readily as as an

1044
00:54:18,090 --> 00:54:14,119
animal might and that the cat might have

1045
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,100
been picking up on some kind of ethereal

1046
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,440
reaction yeah and as opposed to the cat

1047
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,359
simply having a ESP which of course is

1048
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:25,280
equally possible as far as I'm concerned

1049
00:54:31,420 --> 00:54:26,240
well yeah

1050
00:54:34,990 --> 00:54:31,430
very possible well do we sort of fill in

1051
00:54:36,820 --> 00:54:35,000
the spaces here yeah oh okay all right

1052
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:36,830
okay we got another six minutes okay

1053
00:54:43,170 --> 00:54:39,650
well let me see what some other favorite

1054
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:43,180
supernatural topics that we can smash

1055
00:54:52,540 --> 00:54:48,100
hmm all this UFOs is cryptology what we

1056
00:54:54,609 --> 00:54:52,550
haven't we haven't weighed in on well

1057
00:54:57,490 --> 00:54:54,619
this week because there is one topic

1058
00:55:00,460 --> 00:54:57,500
which is very much on everyone's mind

1059
00:55:03,340 --> 00:55:00,470
right now what's going to happen with

1060
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:03,350
this to the Stars Academy what's going

1061
00:55:09,010 --> 00:55:05,930
to happen with Leslie Kane's adventures

1062
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:09,020
with the New York Times and when is the

1063
00:55:13,870 --> 00:55:11,210
other shoe going to fall mm-hmm

1064
00:55:15,820 --> 00:55:13,880
as far as government disclosure well it

1065
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:15,830
that everybody's promising you know I

1066
00:55:30,310 --> 00:55:23,510
mean I'm not hopeful Toph and Louis

1067
00:55:33,010 --> 00:55:30,320
Elizondo and Link what's his name Tom

1068
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:33,020
DeLonge and Leslie Kane and all these

1069
00:55:36,190 --> 00:55:35,510
characters I hope I hope that the next

1070
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:36,200
shoot

1071
00:55:39,730 --> 00:55:37,910
drop because I'm waiting I don't know

1072
00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:39,740
about you are you waiting yeah I'd love

1073
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,349
to know I you know I honestly I told you

1074
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:44,000
I think is I don't think the government

1075
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:45,920
has anything to disclose because I think

1076
00:55:56,829 --> 00:55:50,530
they're as much in the dark as we are I

1077
00:55:59,560 --> 00:55:56,839
just don't think I don't know well what

1078
00:56:06,940 --> 00:55:59,570
does what is it that Bob Bigelow claims

1079
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:06,950
he has these metallic pieces pieces yeah

1080
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:10,160
what that's that's the one that's the

1081
00:56:16,569 --> 00:56:12,490
one outlier here because everything else

1082
00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:16,579
fits within the paradigm which we've

1083
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:20,030
seen UFOs before they move in anomalous

1084
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,250
ways they well if they were alien they

1085
00:56:29,770 --> 00:56:26,720
came from another planet are they

1086
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:29,780
actually going to use metal you know it

1087
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:34,130
just does I mean yes no I mean it just

1088
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:36,050
doesn't ring true I'm sorry it's just

1089
00:56:41,620 --> 00:56:38,510
something I wish I could explain it

1090
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:41,630
better but it just there's just

1091
00:56:46,329 --> 00:56:44,390
something missing in that equation the

1092
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,339
other thing too as far as Bigelow goes

1093
00:56:51,579 --> 00:56:49,040
he's definitely interested in it as is

1094
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:51,589
Elon Musk I'm sure because there have

1095
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:54,050
been proven forms of propulsion that are

1096
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,990
far out outweigh anything that we have

1097
00:57:01,960 --> 00:56:59,359
regardless of whether they're alien or

1098
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:01,970
another civilization or whatever but

1099
00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:04,250
lord knows I mean there's something out

1100
00:57:17,050 --> 00:57:04,520
there

1101
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:17,060
interesting about the the possible metal

1102
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:20,720
pieces and so forth is that there have

1103
00:57:31,930 --> 00:57:27,410
been reports of kind of things left

1104
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:31,940
behind that involve certain isotopes of

1105
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:35,510
metals including large amounts I believe

1106
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:38,030
now somebody's gonna slap me down for

1107
00:57:42,460 --> 00:57:39,890
this because I'm you know I'm not

1108
00:57:45,550 --> 00:57:42,470
speaking scientifically but certain

1109
00:57:47,530 --> 00:57:45,560
isotopes of metals that contain unusual

1110
00:57:49,809 --> 00:57:47,540
amounts of magnesium in that and

1111
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:49,819
isotopes of metals not found

1112
00:57:58,539 --> 00:57:53,690
the earth etc etc so since these things

1113
00:58:00,849 --> 00:57:58,549
exist and people have reported them and

1114
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:00,859
taken them to the lab for analysis and

1115
00:58:06,579 --> 00:58:03,729
so forth and no one's come up with a

1116
00:58:08,109 --> 00:58:06,589
sourcing for this but you know if

1117
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:08,119
they're so advanced how come there's so

1118
00:58:12,339 --> 00:58:10,130
many crashes I mean we're just bad

1119
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:12,349
drivers I'm glad that's something else

1120
00:58:17,859 --> 00:58:15,680
that's you know it's that begs the

1121
00:58:20,380 --> 00:58:17,869
imagination all these crashes I don't I

1122
00:58:22,449 --> 00:58:20,390
don't get it I don't get it either you

1123
00:58:25,449 --> 00:58:22,459
come across the universe to come here

1124
00:58:28,420 --> 00:58:25,459
yeah and and and get baffled by you know

1125
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:28,430
rudimentary radar yeah and it sounds

1126
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,150
like you know they hear what a 40 model

1127
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:34,400
something or other no that's why I said

1128
00:58:37,870 --> 00:58:35,569
there's something that doesn't add up

1129
00:58:39,459 --> 00:58:37,880
there which is why I think they come

1130
00:58:43,089 --> 00:58:39,469
from this planet where it would make

1131
00:58:45,839 --> 00:58:43,099
sense that they would then have metal

1132
00:58:49,059 --> 00:58:45,849
craft with different propulsions but I

1133
00:58:51,849 --> 00:58:49,069
and they might and it could exist in a

1134
00:58:54,849 --> 00:58:51,859
different bandwidth somehow which would

1135
00:58:57,309 --> 00:58:54,859
explain why they go over these these

1136
00:59:00,130 --> 00:58:57,319
nuclear weapon sites and shut down the

1137
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:00,140
the missiles and so forth well there was

1138
00:59:04,809 --> 00:59:03,170
always that one up here in rocky rocky

1139
00:59:09,489 --> 00:59:04,819
woods that went on the Hudson the

1140
00:59:11,739 --> 00:59:09,499
nuclear power plant point Indian point

1141
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:11,749
and the end point yeah where the one guy

1142
00:59:16,299 --> 00:59:14,390
was so freaked out because he swears up

1143
00:59:18,670 --> 00:59:16,309
and down that is is a responsible man

1144
00:59:20,979 --> 00:59:18,680
that an alien came right through the

1145
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:20,989
wall and told him to shut it down a

1146
00:59:26,289 --> 00:59:23,089
little when the little grey ones you

1147
00:59:30,370 --> 00:59:26,299
know I mean the man was left somewhat

1148
00:59:32,499 --> 00:59:30,380
shaken well one has to wonder if you

1149
00:59:34,989 --> 00:59:32,509
have an experience like that I mean just

1150
00:59:38,859 --> 00:59:34,999
taking it on face value yeah absolutely

1151
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:38,869
believe it this is going to destroy your

1152
00:59:45,130 --> 00:59:41,690
mind hmm on a certain level it's gonna

1153
00:59:47,170 --> 00:59:45,140
destroy your the way you see the world

1154
00:59:49,479 --> 00:59:47,180
but it's also going to destroy your

1155
00:59:51,819 --> 00:59:49,489
mentation world like some time to come

1156
01:00:02,859 --> 00:59:51,829
yeah he did yeah he was not a happy guy

1157
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:02,869
after that they put him on leave but you

1158
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:03,200
know

1159
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:05,089
I'm pretty sure the man saw something

1160
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:08,210
like that and so okay so then you as a

1161
01:00:13,390 --> 01:00:10,670
person which is why we want you to write

1162
01:00:15,790 --> 01:00:13,400
in as a person you would then have to

1163
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:15,800
rethink your whole reality and not just

1164
01:00:22,359 --> 01:00:19,130
you but your neighbors you know the

1165
01:00:25,329 --> 01:00:22,369
local newspapers everyone would have to

1166
01:00:29,260 --> 01:00:25,339
go back and say oh maybe aliens do exist

1167
01:00:32,349 --> 01:00:29,270
oh oh well then we have to reset our

1168
01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:32,359
whole view it must have been like the

1169
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:35,390
people around Copernicus you know oh oh

1170
01:00:40,510 --> 01:00:37,990
you mean we do revolve around the Sun oh

1171
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,520
crap now we've got to go back and redo

1172
01:00:45,819 --> 01:00:43,280
all these books and stuff you know so I

1173
01:00:48,430 --> 01:00:45,829
think that's another reason you know

1174
01:00:51,250 --> 01:00:48,440
you're right it's like societies think

1175
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:51,260
well III think the reason why I

1176
01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:55,010
personally got into the businesses that

1177
01:01:00,910 --> 01:00:58,490
I've been in and doing this is because I

1178
01:01:04,349 --> 01:01:00,920
never really and this is going to sound

1179
01:01:09,490 --> 01:01:04,359
like I ought to be committed but I never

1180
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:09,500
I never really had a strong grasp of

1181
01:01:14,980 --> 01:01:12,290
reality I was always expecting something

1182
01:01:16,540 --> 01:01:14,990
to occur like I was always expecting the

1183
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:16,550
guy to come walking through the wall

1184
01:01:21,579 --> 01:01:19,040
really even as a child I mean I didn't I

1185
01:01:24,579 --> 01:01:21,589
didn't have faith in reality and I

1186
01:01:26,650 --> 01:01:24,589
didn't have any overwhelming reason not

1187
01:01:29,890 --> 01:01:26,660
to have faith in reality I mean I got up

1188
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:29,900
in the morning I ate my Cheerios I went

1189
01:01:34,510 --> 01:01:32,569
to grammar school you know public school

1190
01:01:37,420 --> 01:01:34,520
everything that everybody else did but I

1191
01:01:40,359 --> 01:01:37,430
didn't have a real faith that the Sun

1192
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:40,369
was gonna rise tomorrow basically I was

1193
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:42,680
expecting at all times the hand to come

1194
01:01:51,220 --> 01:01:45,520
through the Warley yeah and and that's

1195
01:01:53,890 --> 01:01:51,230
that's just my my own little no no I

1196
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,900
didn't have that feeling no this was me

1197
01:02:00,099 --> 01:01:56,240
well throughout my life never really

1198
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:00,109
trusted the three the three or four D

1199
01:02:04,809 --> 01:02:02,990
reality I can't explain to you why well

1200
01:02:06,609 --> 01:02:04,819
maybe you had a vision of it you know

1201
01:02:08,829 --> 01:02:06,619
you keep harping about this other

1202
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:08,839
dimension I keep telling you that it's a

1203
01:02:12,579 --> 01:02:10,730
mathematical construct there are no

1204
01:02:14,530 --> 01:02:12,589
other dimensions but I know what you

1205
01:02:16,210 --> 01:02:14,540
mean you don't mean the actual dimension

1206
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:16,220
you just mean a different

1207
01:02:20,890 --> 01:02:18,710
I'm in place it coexists say there are

1208
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:20,900
no other dimensions but well I don't

1209
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:26,000
know no I know which yeah semantics with

1210
01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:29,090
us yes it's a semantic thing I I think

1211
01:02:35,890 --> 01:02:31,940
that there are just so many realities so

1212
01:02:39,310 --> 01:02:35,900
many coexisting reality's most of which

1213
01:02:42,580 --> 01:02:39,320
we are not aware of on a daily life and

1214
01:02:45,220 --> 01:02:42,590
whether I you know was a little more

1215
01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:45,230
aware as a child my father certainly was

1216
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:47,540
in that category so maybe it's a

1217
01:02:53,710 --> 01:02:51,050
familial thing and he never he never had

1218
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:53,720
a real strong grasp but this for the

1219
01:02:58,900 --> 01:02:55,609
reality though we he worked his whole

1220
01:03:02,680 --> 01:02:58,910
life you know yeah blue-collar worker

1221
01:03:04,839 --> 01:03:02,690
and you know basically doing engineer

1222
01:03:08,020 --> 01:03:04,849
forms well within this dimension yes he

1223
01:03:10,380 --> 01:03:08,030
did engineering type work and you know

1224
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:10,390
was straight pretty straightforward but

1225
01:03:17,230 --> 01:03:13,369
yet did not have a great deal of faith

1226
01:03:19,870 --> 01:03:17,240
in well just just what we say to is like

1227
01:03:21,730 --> 01:03:19,880
you know ESP and so on like certain

1228
01:03:24,010 --> 01:03:21,740
people have different antennas to pick

1229
01:03:26,050 --> 01:03:24,020
up different things and maybe you have

1230
01:03:27,460 --> 01:03:26,060
an antenna that you know sort of picks

1231
01:03:37,290 --> 01:03:27,470
up signals from these other realities

1232
01:03:41,620 --> 01:03:37,300
from time to time yes maybe in any case

1233
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:41,630
we here at shattered reality would love

1234
01:03:49,060 --> 01:03:45,680
for you to write in and suggest guests

1235
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:49,070
that you might like to see generally

1236
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:51,910
speaking we do not interview claimants

1237
01:04:00,030 --> 01:03:55,609
that is people that claim strange powers

1238
01:04:02,829 --> 01:04:00,040
unless that's been demonstrated to us

1239
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:02,839
by and large we do not interview

1240
01:04:08,310 --> 01:04:05,690
claimants other than that we are very

1241
01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:08,320
interested in people who are studying

1242
01:04:15,790 --> 01:04:12,830
anomalous phenomena of all sorts and we

1243
01:04:19,210 --> 01:04:15,800
would like to hear from you

1244
01:04:23,650 --> 01:04:19,220
perhaps some guests suggestions some

1245
01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:23,660
thoughts on our shows we do have a

1246
01:04:29,620 --> 01:04:26,540
variety of ways to get in touch with us

1247
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:29,630
including our face

1248
01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:33,140
book page which is shattered reality

1249
01:04:40,509 --> 01:04:36,670
podcast and it's listed under the radio

1250
01:04:45,660 --> 01:04:40,519
heading in face book it so it's under

1251
01:04:49,269 --> 01:04:45,670
radio in addition we have two websites

1252
01:04:53,019 --> 01:04:49,279
one of which is shattered reality

1253
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:53,029
podcast wordpress.com the other is

1254
01:05:01,599 --> 01:04:56,690
shattered reality podcast calm we have a

1255
01:05:05,470 --> 01:05:01,609
number of our shows up on iTunes and

1256
01:05:09,460 --> 01:05:05,480
also on YouTube and we are adding more

1257
01:05:13,749 --> 01:05:09,470
every week and once again we would like

1258
01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:13,759
to send our best healthy greetings to

1259
01:05:19,289 --> 01:05:16,670
mister Avril seal whatever has occurred

1260
01:05:24,339 --> 01:05:19,299
to him today and extend an invitation

1261
01:05:26,140 --> 01:05:24,349
for him to come back in the future so do

1262
01:05:28,569 --> 01:05:26,150
you have anything else to say there Kate

1263
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:28,579
no I I think that sort of why wraps it

1264
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:30,529
up very nicely except I would also like

1265
01:05:34,140 --> 01:05:32,960
to extend my best wishes as well to mr.

1266
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:34,150
seal okay

1267
01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:36,950
anything anything from your corner there

1268
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:41,990
mr. bill get over there so I guess that